Thanks for all the imput guys... I guess i'll just spend a weekend touring the bike shops of the city and trying sh*t out... I did not know that cavern had IROs, interesting, me likes the new angus from what i've seen. the urbanite track bike seemed kinda steep when looking at the frame so i was curious how the handled and what components came on them. Guess i'll just have to get off my lazy ass and go talk to them :-)