I think I'm one of the odd ones with Brooks, I'm neutral. I have a B17 and I can say its the best saddle I've ever had, but then again I haven't had a lot of saddles. I've got over 3K miles on it so it ought to be broken in, but after about 35-40 miles I can start to feel the saddle and on mult-day tours I feel it everyday after day one. I've never had to tighten the tension nut, the leather is still pretty stiff, even after using proofride twice a year for several years, maybe I've got one with extra thick hide.