Originally Posted by rpenmanparker

No offense but hijacking a thread is both rude and usually not helpful to answering your own question. It is much better to start your own thread regarding your specific topic. That way when folks see it displayed in the topic list, they will help out if they can. You won't have to depend upon someone stumbling across your question when reading another topic and just fortuitously being able and willing to help you out.

In this case I can tell you that the Rival 10-speed you show in the photo is their older stuff before it switched to carbon. I have early carbon Rival and if works absolutely great. Better even than older Red. Really good stuff. Different in feel than 105, but every bit as good.