Well, I just wanted to find the minimal amount of lumens a light with a wide beam must have in order to be considered a good one for daytime. I searched for such info but somehow can not find it. Before Hotshot became available couple of years ago, there was nothing available outside of some esoteric options like Dinotte so there was no point to even ask such questions. I mean a narrow bright beam is OK but now better options are available. Of course, I could get Hotshot Pro 80 which is bright enough for daytime but purely by accident I noticed couple of AA lights compatible in brightness with the original Hotshot & wondered if anyone had any experiences with them. I have couple of cheap AA lights already which I do not use & didn't want to get couple of more duds.