Mariner - Honesty, I can't remember. Sorry. I have been running these things on all my bikes for about 10 years now. My @ss is just molded to the Flite shape by now. I have only short hopped on other saddles. And only really have had problems with units that are too wide, too soft or involve gel. Most of them are all pretty damn good.

I would presume that hitting the wide part of the seat and physical discomfort are probably signs that your saddle just isn't right.

Saddles are like dating: there is no way to know for sure, but you'll know when you've found it.

-Z