Originally Posted by Fishsticks
My Nishiki International does have ornate lugs
Okay, what would you call ornate lugs? The ones on my Ultimate, above, would be at the very conservative end of ornate and the Landau ones are even plainer. Ornate would be pretty rare after the 1950s. Seems that the Italians always used very plain lugs and eventually everyone else just fell into line. Now, the Claud Butler I had in the 50s had really fancy lugs!