Oh man, I've stupidly posted some UL stuff in the touring forum. Not that I was an idiot about touring in general, but talking about UL touring in that touring forum is like showing up to a doomsday prepper convention and trying to convince people that you only need ONE gun. I finally realized that some people don't mind carrying 100 pounds of stuff and spinning out a 22 front with a 32 rear. It's their idea of fun, so who am I to tell them it's wrong? Kind of like trying to sell carbon bikes in the road forum right now.