for those that asked, I have had a pro bike fit and it was my first real bike, I have come to think I was NOT properly planted on the the saddle when they did the kops, I think was up a bit on the saddle. So I dont think my sit bones were ever properly supported and as i improved and started getting out on longer rides I was getting a lot of sit bone discomfort........I feel my position is correct but the saddle needs to be moved a bit foward to give me proper support. I could have been sitting wrong the whole time as I dont what it feel like to be sitting correctly! So that is what has lead me to this. I have been trying all sorts of saddle with original bike fit as a guide and all the saddles giving me the same issue. so once I tried moving my butt to the back of the saddles there was an improvement in support but was to far back.......so today i have my original setback post in with the saddle pretty much slammed forward and will see it that helps things out(I only had about a 1 cm of rail left) ....if my theory is correct at all lol