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rpenmanparker you hit nailed it! I put the saddle back and put the 100 mm stem and everything fell into place! Was on the saddle correctly and stayed there and reach seemed perfect. so was stem issues all along, I ordered a 110 mm just to see how it is on there but the 100 seems a perfect fit...LOL I gave my friend back his straight thomson and ordered a thomson set back, I know everybody hates the look but I actually like the "laid back" look from my old BMX days Thanx again for all your help and everyone on the thread~
