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Old 01-05-16 | 06:43 PM
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erig007
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Originally Posted by corrado33
Let's do some math. In the US in 2014 we used roughly 40 quadrillion BTU of energy to produce electricity. That's about 12 trillion kWh. If a wind farm can produce 3 W/m^2 (the max of UK wind farms, where it's MUCH more windy), it'd take roughly 62 MILLION square miles of wind farms to power the US. Oh, the US is only 3.8 million square miles large. (That includes Alaska...) Oh, and I also assumed that the wind farms are producing their 3 W/m^2 all 24 hours in a day.

Ok, fine, wind isn't that great of a power source. What about solar? Solar farms can produce a bit less than 200 W/m^2 (I'm being generous). Even at that energy density, it'd take ~ 1.9 MILLION square miles of solar panels to power the US. So, you know, a bit less than 2/3rds of the US. Again, I assumed that the solar panels were producing max power for 12 hours every day. I'm not even going to talk about cloudy days, or how the majority of the US isn't suited for solar panels, or how we can't store energy well so if we had a solar panel based power generation system we'd have no electricity at night, or how electricity transmission is very lossy, especially since we'd have to convert the DC into AC to transmit it (DC has historically been difficult to transmit over long distances due to the difficulty of converting it to higher voltage. Transformers make this easy.) so that's even more lossy. Etc. etc. etc. Please note that I've only talking about ELECTRICITY here. While the production of electricity does take a lot of energy, it's not the only thing that NEEDS energy in the US. The US, in total, used about 85 quadrillion BTU of energy. Now, you can discount the losses associated with the production of electricity if you want for these calculations, but you'd still have to produce electricity for everything else in the US that doesn't currently use it. Cars, jets, etc.
Check the numbers.
Best solar cells reach 380W/mē in labs, won't be long before modules reach 48% efficiency and certainly more later
Compound Semiconductor - News
http://energyinformative.org/wp-cont...ency_chart.jpg

Also there are ways to store solar energy
Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES)
Using Trains to Store Energy

There are also ways to circumvent the problem of lack of surface in the US. For instance mixing different energy sources or pilling up as the world is 3D (or more) and not simply 2D. Chips makers (transistors) have had the same kind of problem and have simply piled up layers. Wouldn't be hard to do with wind (and maybe solar too).
3D processors, memory and storage explained | TechRadar

There are also other solutions that are coming and the fact that there is nothing that says that people will keep wasting energy the way they have done until now especially since now there is COP21 (and the Europe example)
A Skyscraper-Sized Solar-Wind Tower Could Become North America's Tallest Structure - The Atlantic
http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2...nuclear-fusion
Indonesia Exploring Liquid Fuel Nuclear Power Plants to Cut Reliance on Coal
etc...

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