Or post #11 . The thing is, the Ortliebs might be a lot better if used with Tubus lowrider racks. I have the Timberline bags and have been really disappointed with the Tubus Tara front lowrider that my bike came with stock. The Timberline panniers have stabilizing hooks at the bottom that do not work well with the Tubus rack, and I am waiting for a shipment of hook holders from Germany to try to rectify the problem.

I think that I will ultimately go with a Surly, Blackburn or Jandd front rack, as they allow panniers to be mounted in the low rider position, while giving you an upper "shelf" for bags, tent rolls etc.