By the way, as far as the cost of getting stuff in Canada is concerned I am not talking about the current plunge in the C-buck, I bought 2 bikes worth of stuff when the dollar was at par. There are a lot of surplus costs, but one is the inability to use the lowest price because that low price seller is not a low price shipper. There are tons of internet places that shave say the Rivendell price, and others I have used in the past, but they have no experience shipping to Canada, and they jack prices on the shipping. I just mention it before someone jumps on my Candian cost point. I was talking 500 US, and that is pretty close to what heat treated bars, brooks, and cranks with bb cost if you have to use Riv, Speedgoat, Nashnar, and Spicer, two of whom are now gone.