Originally Posted by
ptempel
When you say dull do you mean lacking a "liveliness" or "snappiness" like some other frames have? Good to know your eval, though. If it was me, I'd pick more standard road or racing geometry bikes. But the OP seemed to want a more endurance (or relaxed) geometry one.
I'm still a bit unfamiliar with different geometries but what is the primary difference between a racing geometry vs an endurance geometry? I don't mind a slightly aggressive geometry as long as its comfortable for casual and long distance rides.