Thanks, I've tried the Garmin forum. There is very little discussion of the Edge 25 so far, and it doesn't have a memory card. As far as I can see, there are only two ways to get the data off the unit: usb to computer or Bluetooth to smart phone. I agree that the requirement of installing special software just to upload the data adds another hurdle. What I really can't understand, however, is why the unit cannot connect using Bluetooth with an iPad when it can do so with an iPhone. Oh well, another example of life's little disapointments...