Guys, relax. Nothing against any frame material and I've got a list as long as [MENTION=203117]jamesdak[/MENTION] of steel frames that didn't break, also. I just get so tired of the frame wars and "Steel is real" and "carbon asplodes" and "aluminum is harsh" and "Ti lasts forever" and the NYT article besides being ancient history and discussed here ad nauseam, was ill informed and BS.