I think it was Dale Carnegie that said "You mean what you say, when you say it and how you say it." But don't quote me on that.

To coppe, you sound like a real gas huffer. hence, symbolic of a car lover that wants to debate pollution minutae on a car free forum instead of the discussion of the contempt of car owners like expat had originally intended.

To Fx John, anytime someone uses the 'bathtub gambit,' honest discussion of the issues is NOT the intent, and we both know it. It's obsufucationist.


I'm not here to argue pollution statistics, this was a discussion of car free ethics. My shizzle definetly stinks.

But I do my part. We all should.