Originally Posted by
Mobile 155
None of that deals with the love of cycling.
Because that is a separate issue. What you're doing is criticizing people who make choices for a greater good instead of their own personal pleasure. That is a political perspective, hedonism. You shouldn't push hedonism unless you believe in hedonism's right to proselytize, in which case you shouldn't criticize others for doing so.
Or with the issues caused by the solutions you suggest, as indicated in my last link. They are also urban issues that blame metro and suburban areas for city core problems. As the saying goes that is not my circus and not my monkeys. The only reason I am car light is because I love cycling more than I like driving. But as Machka pointed out no racks on a Urber car, or no dense living will not effect my cycling.
It will if you are searching for income to afford those campsites you pay for and all available jobs are not within convenient biking distance because you live in a sprawling area.
In other words your post reinforces that we have no common ground. I would naturally vote against or not be interested in your issues. I don't even mind paying for a camping spot.
You substitute stubborn opposition for constructive reason in discussions. You might have insights into some social problems you associate with density, but I don't see how you can ever address those issues if you do nothing more than oppose people who maintain hope for civilized car-free living in dense areas.
Originally Posted by
cooker
Sprawl is demonstrably a bad thing, but this is not about you - you happen to be living car-light in a car-heavy area and good for you, so no need to take it personally. Sprawl squanders farmland, increases air pollution and shortens life expectancy due to both ill health and car crashes. This is not opinion. However the fact that I know this and you may reject it does not make us aliens to each other - I'm sure there are vastly different points of view among you and your neighbours on many topics ranging from Donald Trump to the Oscars. yet you still generally get along and have interests in common.
And although this is overall a cycling forum, this particular sub-forum does not have to be totally about bikes, or the love of bikes - the forum description provides a lot of latitude around discussing other forms of transprotation and the lifestyle in general. So I really don't get the hostility to people engaging in that broader discussion. You can ignore it, you can argue for your point of view, or you can start threads that reflect your interests (which apparently includes the issues we are discussing in this thread you started).
As for common ground, at the end of the day we all have one big piece of common ground which is called Earth, and all of our fates are tied to how we share it.
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