speaking of J&G ..... They make great touring shorts The 2 pairs I have are over 4 years old now and still look good. They are remenisent of the excellent touring shorts that Cannondale was selling 20 years ago. They don't fit tight like lyrca but they are so not baggy that a bee will fly up into your jewels either ( don't ask how I know). They dry quick and the pad isn't so thick and over stitched that you look and feel like you are wearing a diaper.