Originally Posted by
jamesdak
Cool, now I know not to buy any used bike you may list on here.
I may ride the hell out of them but I also take care of them.
I've got over 600 miles on this since my first ride on it Mar 4th but there's nothing wrong with taking care of the finish and trying to keep it new looking. You know, be gentle cleaning.

That's very nice. I'm not into the frame material wars but I have a 2 yr. old steel Guru that is a really nice ride. It weighs just over 16 lbs w/o pedals. With all the junk I throw on a bike for rides it comes to about 19 lbs. I throw a lot of junk on a bike. I also have an AL w/CF Masi that weighs almost exactly the same. Love them both. It's all good.