Still us and them. I was including you in "our". I can't educate you on "our society". I won't generalize and pretend that people as diverse as car free can be pegged into a common list of reasons for being so or philosophical outlooks. Like cooker says LCF is not a movement. You won't find political action groups that are organized around LCF specifically.

There is no winner in this contest. Some of us just want a little more room to play.