I tried them, and also used a 10 mm longer stem, but my wrists didn't like the angle. Went back to a standard riser bar with Cane Creek bar ends. Wrists are happy again . . . they do much better in a position mimicking hoods on drop bars . . . and the grip for climbing out of the saddle with the Cane Creeks is really nice. I did like the multiple hand positions and room for plenty of accessories. Ended up selling them to [MENTION=309372]mdilthey[/MENTION].