When I say "good," the manufacturers define that by not including pedals with some bikes. I do not have an attitude about it; I'm just curious to know if people care one way or another. Yes, they could delete wheels, tires, handlebars, whatever. But the fact remains some bikes don't come with pedals, so why not saddles as well? OR maybe all bikes should come with the appropriate quality pedals too? Do people feel cheated, or at least mystified that pedals may not come with the bike?