Originally Posted by
genec
OK, that's fair... banning cyclists because a few speed and bike recklessly.
Sure, no problem. Now follow that same example and ban all motorists from the roads because most drivers exceed the speed limits from time to time, and yes a few do so at very high speed and brag about it.
So yeah... if you are going to ban all cyclists for the actions of a few, then please do so for motorists too.
The difference therein is that trails see regular foot/hoof traffic, and getting buzzed by some strava asshat doing 20mph+ can put one on edge. If you're going to compare apples then at least use similar varieties.
Originally Posted by
enigmaT120
But what was his time? I can just see the bystanders looking on after Phidippides died, and some of them must have been thinking to themselves "I wouldn't have died."
3 - 5 mph is walking speed. Even pretty slow runners can do 10 minute miles, which is 6 miles per hour. About my pace for my last marathon, but that was Crater Lake.
Pick 100 people at random from anywhere and maybe a small number, oh I don't know...5-10?, will be able to maintain a 10/min pace. That may not be "fast" to you but to someone who doesn't run a 12/min pace would probably seem fast. The USMC's physical fitness test includes 3 miles in 28 min, or an average 9.3/min pace...a 10/min pace isn't that far off, and from what I remember during my time with infantry, even in-shape Marines had to work at maintaining that standard. If that's slow to you, well then you go girl.