Great info there bwgride, thanks for that. I think maybe I just need to go see the Mazama in person. Maybe the red won't look bad to me then. All in all, besides the color, I really like that bike. Since I'm just getting started, I don't really know what percentage I will be riding on paved vs. unpaved roads, but what I do know is that my main goal is "touring", something I've never done before, but am very excited to do. I know I will have to get well recovered and build myself up to it. The Mazama looks to be setup at least a bit more for off-road than on, but maybe it's just the fatter tires giving me that impression. If I do end up doing more on-road than off, which I think is most likely, couldn't I just put some thinner more road oriented tires on those rims and make it bit quicker rolling and more road-bike(ish) in that regard?