feel free you guys to discuss this stuff, but to be honest, to me its kinda like in the old Peanuts film animation shorts--remember the teachers voice "mwah mwah mwah mwah"--I've never had any bike part just break, so short of buying the lowest of the low parts quality, it seems to me a moot point of forge this or forge that.

carry on, and don't be offended ;-)

(at least it keeps you out of the pool halls....)