Originally Posted by
JohnJ80
I can't post the article because it's a copyrighted purchased pdf directly from Friction Facts called chain_lube_efficiency_tests_combined_1.pdf and copying is prohibited as terms of the sale. The chart on the first page is what I'm referring to.
Fair enough. I found another article from Velo that
does list the Clean Ride and the difference between the best...parafin...and the Clean Ride looks to be about 1.6W. However, the difference between the best and worst is only about 3W.
Originally Posted by
JohnJ80
The problem with waxes is that the pressure causes the wax to migrate away from the point where the lube is needed and is not all that much different than what happens with liquids with the exception is that they don't have any opportunity to migrate back. You won't get any gunk coming out of a waxy lube because it's going to stay in there after it was worked away from the pressure points.
I'll agree that pressure will cause the some of the wax to migrate away but certainly not all of the wax will migrate away. And I'll agree that liquids work the same way. However, if you are constantly having to wipe the excess off the outside of the chain...I'm not completely unfamiliar with using oil based chain lubricants...you are remove the oil from the system. Oil removed can't migrate back either.
Not that it matters that much. If it did, the service life on a waxed chain would be far less than that of an oiled chain. It isn't in my experience.
As for the "gunk", none of it gets into the chain because that same wax that migrates away from the pressure points serves as a barrier to the grit getting into the chain. Additionally, the wax does serve as a trap for the grit in the first place. The grit doesn't stick to the wax in the same manner as it sticks to the oil. I have cleaned waxed chains in the past as well as oiled chains and I've never experienced that familiar gritty feeling with a waxed chain.
Originally Posted by
JohnJ80
Not me who's obsessing with chain cleanliness - I don't have a problem with it. What I do obsess over is an absolutely silent drivetrain simply because I like it that way. Secondly, I don't want to waste watts on sub optimal lubricants either. I don't care about chain replacement (it's an incidental expense), it's easy and it's obvious when to do it. That said, sounds like you and I get the same life out of our chains. My main objection to the White Lighting lubes is that are much better lubes out there.
J.
Why does everyone think that a wax lubricated chain is so noisy? What "noise" are you trying to drown out that you think I have? My chains don't squeak. They don't rattle. They don't sound any different than an oil lubricated chain.
And I don't feel that grinding, grating of grit being sized reduced in the chain.
As for "wasting watts", do you really have any idea how much wattage is being wasted? The 1.6 W lost between the best lubricant...which is still paraffin by the way...and the White Lightning is the difference between 15 mph and 15.2 mph. The difference between Rock and Roll Gold and Clean ride is 15.0mph and 15.1mph. Kind of splitting hairs, isn't it?
As for there being "better lubes out there", my question is still better how? I get the same chain mileage, I don't have to clean all the time and I don't have to don Super Fund Site level protective gear to touch my chain. I am infinitesimal...immeasurably?...slower.