Like I said, that is the comparison I am making. SS road bikes (not cross or gravel or MTB) compared to geared road bikes. I'm saying that if someone walked into a fairly normal bike store today and picked off the shelf a geared road bike and a SS road bike both of which appealed to their taste and budget, the geared bike would be lighter. The facts that almost no steel framed road bikes are sold in LBSs these days, and few SSs are anything but steel make my assertion pretty much a slam dunk. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. No big deal. That is just how it seems to me. I know that personally I would have to search high and low for a frame and parts that could yield a SS bike as light as even my heaviest, steel geared one.