Originally Posted by Papa Tom

Brilliantly put. There's nothing like sarcasm to turn a good thread sour.

Anyway, what I MEANT was that I tightened the lockring until the damned bit was slipping on it and I felt like I couldn't possibly go any further. This comment was followed up by several responses stating that you need to apply a TON of torque to the cassette lockring to install it safely and properly. I've never had to go beyond what my arthritic elbows could squeak out, so I don't know if there's another problem here, or what. But let's forget it, as this is someone else's thread.