Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie

It is not "placebo" when the differences are measurable. My newer tig welded steel frames are measurably lighter and stiffer than my vintage lugged steel frames. My 40 year old Schwinn Paramount P14 track bike feels like a wet noodle in comparison with my two Soma Rush frames or my newest Wraith frame. Part of this can be attributed to the use of larger diameter frame tubing on newer steel frames. Even my el cheapo Chinese chromo frames have larger diameter downtubes than the old Paramount.