Got it, thanks for all the help! If it changes anything, I'm most likely going to mount my (preferred, beloved) wald 520 rear baskets in the back and probably a small basket in the front. The back has mounts but I'm going to want fenders and the baskets attached, so I assume using these additional things in the back for the fenders will work easier than for anything that carries a load since they're much lighter. Its good to know I have something along these lines to use, its mostly the front load carrying that worries me. I'll check out the steel clips but the Tubus product looks good, I'm willing to spend 20 bucks if it works that well.