Originally Posted by
Doge
If they were the same size, but in my Veloflex the clincher 25 measures smaller than the Tubular 25 of the same case. I had Vittoria too and did not measure. But while both road well (I road the Vittoria clincher on my front with a latex tube) the profile looked about the same as the 23 tubular. Vittoria uses the exact same made-in-Thailand stamped tread on both, and FMB did buy and use that tread (and I expect others).
Ah, so you were talking about open tubulars vs. the actual tubular version of the same model. I didn't get that at all from your original post.
I've no problems with your weight claims, nor indeed with tubulars in general. I didn't agree with what I interpreted as a general claim that clinchers intrinsically have less air volume above the rim than tubulars of the same measured width.