Thanks [MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION] , this bike is getting tempting , but it's to small . I like the look of a seat mast raised up a little too much. Yes [MENTION=197614]fietsbob[/MENTION] I love those DOHC engines . Back another lifetime ago I raced a formula car with a DOHC motor , what a sound it made . I had no business in that class , under funded, ( 1K tune up) but the women were gorgeous .