I've pushed it a bit lower than 20F but that gets me through the winter in the "torpical" NYC area. In Michigan, I guess I'd need a little more thermal items for that hood. Sometimes wonder how folks ride in sub zero F temps but they are there. This reminds me of a temperature joke like the one below:


"Cold" is a relative term. Use the handy list below to overcome the confusion. Degrees (Fahrenheit)

65 - Hawaiians declare a two-blanket night
60 - Californians put on sweaters (if they can find one)
50 - Miami residents turn on the heat
45 - Vermont residents go to outdoor concerts
40 - You can see your breath - Californians shiver uncontrollably - Minnesotans go swimming
35 - Italian cars don't start
32 - Water freezes
30 - You plan your vacation to Australia
25 - Ohio water freezes - Californians weep pitiably - Minnesotans eat ice cream - Canadians go swimming
20 - Politicians begin to talk about the homeless - New York City water freezes - Miami residents plan vacation further South
15 - French cars don't start - Cat insists on sleeping in your bed with you
10 - You need jumper cables to get the car going
5 - American cars don't start
0 - Alaskans put on T-shirts
-10 - German cars don't start - Eyes freeze shut when you blink
-15 - You can cut your breath and use it to build an igloo - Arkansans stick tongue on metal objects - Miami residents cease to exist
-20 - Cat insists on sleeping in pajamas with you - Politicians actually do something about the homeless - Minnesotans shovel snow off roof - Japanese cars don't start
-25 - Too cold to think - You need jumper cables to get the driver going
-30 - You plan a two week hot bath - Swedish cars don't start
-40 - Californians disappear - Minnesotans button top button - Canadians put on sweaters - Your car helps you plan your trip South
-50 - Congressional hot air freezes - Alaskans close the bathroom window
-80 - Hell freezes over - Polar bears move South - Viking Fans order hot cocoa at the game
-90 - Lawyers put their hands in their own pockets