That was the point but sorry. Not to be a smartie, but I just searched the bikes you posted and see the price is about half of what I was thinking that would put you out of range as far as a 105 bike.

I know some people think it is outrageous but my bud got a Specialized bike on sale for $1500. Again crazy but when you start riding, it is well worth it.

If you ever get the chance, I believe it is worth it to upgrade a little bit to one of the better packages.

I know, I would if I could! Crazy bike prices these days!