Originally Posted by
Phil_gretz
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I've used the Brooks B-17, but cannot recommend that saddle due to the generally poorer leather quality of the ones made in the last few years.
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The Brooks Select of today is the Brooks of old. Likewise, the Brooks Pro.
If you check the internet for "how to break in a Brooks saddle" you will find scads of home remedies - soak them in mink oil and stick them in the oven - boil them and let them dry - soak them in water and go for a ride.
All of these of these serve the goal of unnaturally softening the leather and without question shorten the life of the saddle.
I think Brooks made a choice to open themselves to a wider market by delivering softer saddles in their standard grades.
The Gyes saddles come from Taiwan - they're also sold as VO saddles. Yes, they're harder and have a longer life for it.
You and I wouldn't want a 5000 mi saddle. But most casual riders may not ride their bike 5000 mi over their lifetime use of it.
I think it would take our OP a long time to add up 5000 mi, and I'm comfortable recommending a B17 Standard Champion for him.
That said, I still think he should try the Selle Anatomica (especially for 30 days), and believe it will be just what he's asking for.