Originally Posted by sbhikes
(in my town the bike lanes are gone by the time you reach the intersection.)
No wonder you like them so much.
I just go with the flow of traffic. I won't turn into a NOL or WOL if cars are coming in the same lane. If there is a BL I don't unless there is somewhat of a gap, most often I don't turn into the BL - debris, rough around the corner, but mainly if a car is coming you never know if it is going to right turn into the driveway that is right after the intersection you are turning from. Where I ride every intersection has driveways (for gas station, for shopping center) on every corner.
Another good reason not to turn into BL at night is there can be a shadow cyclist in the BL, I turned right in front of one once and they had to slow hard. I did not see them at all even with me looking while fully stopped, they had a very small dim front light aimed at ground and car lights overwhelming my vision. I told them they needed a new light and (this was in Nov.) they said they knew and they were getting one for Christmas.
Al