Originally Posted by
Papa Tom
See what I mean, Machka? Nobody here is talking about 30 or 40-mile rides. That's why I started my "Short Overnight Rides" thread (which basically crashed and burned after two dozen posts). I feel soooo unwanted

So talk about 30-40 mile rides yourself!

Have you done one recently?
BTW - this was our most recent tour. We like to get one in at the end of November before Rowan's busy season starts.
It's in the 2016 thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/19215644-post110.html