Thanks for the help, especially the first link.

My issue with the selle saddles I tried first off was the thick ass padding. Puts a lot of direct pressure on my sit bones. Secondly was the taper was too wide. I'm not skinny so doesn't work well. One was the Extra, other was the TRK. Haven't found anything as wide with about half the padding. If I could I'd try selle again

My bike came stock with a 140mm bontrager paradigm saddle. Sit bones are killing me after a long ride

10 miles today on my VOLT was nice and maybe that's just the saddle that's going to work.

Oh as for Brooks, the taper is too wide for me.