I wish everyone all the best, but I see one thing that caused the biggest problem for Curtis and me, the age to use on the graphics. We held the line at Curtis' original 50+ design and graphics because that if this forum's name. And, he chose Champion Systems for several reasons, so changing the design is not something done for free or fast.

CS has several levels of pricing for custom work/group buys/teams, the prices go down by the number of items ordered. He chose, and I stuck with the 10 item minimum level. Curtis did the first several group buys, I took on the last one, back in 2015. Every design has a set cost for review and approval, a redesign adds cost and time, hence no changing the age of the group.

The original 50+, in red with black and white accents, is well recognized pretty much world wide. I sent jerseys to Canada, eating the additional shipping cost myself, and Curtis had some European orders in his initial group buys. When he allowed me the privilege of managing the last group buy, we agreed that the original design stayed if it was to be in our projects. Its Curtis' own copyright design, so CS isn't going to just hand it over either.

One last point, this takes a lot of work and time to do, and not cost the individual doing the buy out of their own pocket. I did spend some because I promised the same shipping cost to Canada and England, that was my mistake, but I honored the promise.

The 10 item program means not just 10 jerseys, it included all of the 50+ items Curtis designed, and had cataloged at Champion Systems for our Group Buys. Short sleeve jerseys, long sleeve jerseys, sleeveless Tri jerseys, shorts, (all in either race cut, or club cut, and two levels of material temperature level) a wind vest, wind jacket (a personal favorite of mine), and a casquette (euro cycling hat.) Curtis, and with his permission, myself are the listed individuals for this account and he has the design copyright.

Bill