Originally Posted by
mt12345
yes but it doesn't include toe overlap...
I want to ride in upright position and hold the 'bullhorns' - which means I need the frame with short top tube.
But then I have the toe problem.
F**k.
I'm switching to kick scooter.
Maybe an MTB frame? You can find them built for SS/FG and you sit more upright. You could even mount some BMX style bars if you want to be really vertical.