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Old 12-20-05 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Darin
All any of us currently know, is what we've been told, or read. But more liekly, told. Now, because of you, we know more, but that's still all we know. And maybe that's all there is to know. But I had heard of carbon being great, but having a weakness to small damage.

Thank you for your time to bring us up to speed. I suspect that cost is what keeps carbon our of racing BMX. But since light and strong is king on the track, I would think that a mass produced (so that it's cheaper to make) would sell very well to racers. Guy that beat their bikes in the park would probably kill a carbon frame. But weight doesn't seem to be a facotr to park guys since I see questions like, "What's the stongest wheel, weight doesn't matter" Id' still like to know why Alum isn't good for freestyle riders.
Steel is preferred over aluminum because it wins in two key categories: elongation (how much the material will flex before it plasticises or fails) and endurance limit, or fatigue life. What this means is when steel and especially titanium are flexed, they retain their strength. They can be flexed again and again and never weaken until the material hits its endurance limit...for steel that's a pretty long time, Ti it's virtually forever. Aluminum loses strength any time it's flexed, and since its elongation numbers are low already, the chance of catastrophic failure looms. One of the myths about aluminum is that it's a very stiff material. It's not...the elastic modulus is actually much lower than steel or titanium. But since aluminum is about 1/3 as dense as steel, the tubing can be made very large to compensate. And since flex is aluminum's Achilles heel, most framebuilders will overcompensate, shooting for a finished product roughly 3 times as strong as steel (sometimes more, sometimes less depending on application).

Now (just like carbon, IMO), it's *possible* to design a strong, light and most importantly, *reliable* aluminum frame with the proper application of fistfuls and fistfuls of cash...cutting-edge alloys, expensive and time-consuming manufacturing processes and design tricks like hydroforming and internal or external butting. Would the market support such experimentation? Probably not, since there's no demand for anything to replace steel.
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