I guess I barely understand the "one and done" mindset that some people have with their first frame. You can buy a frame's worth of parts right now from Nova for just a little over $100. So why would you try to make your dream frame on the first try? I have to practice new framebuilding skills, just because I have a lot of experience doesn't mean that everything comes easily. If I make something new, I figure I'm going to throw (at least) the first one away. I have a growing pile of front racks in the scrap bin as evidence.