Originally Posted by rpenmanparker

Maybe OP is confusing frame stack and reach with finished bike drop and reach. Whenever we talk stack and reach, we mean of the frame. But you could define a bike drop and reach that takes into account saddle placement, stem length and angle, bar design, spacers, etc. That would be personal to the rider No matter what frame is used, the finished drop from saddle to bars and reach from saddle to bars should be the same for the same style of riding.