Originally Posted by
patentcad
Has anything changed or is it still the same mix of repetitively banal topics, fred hand-wringing and road-nazi head banging?
There is nothing new under the sun.
Plus ça change and all that. ..
And to the OP, my guess for the forum as a whole, all rides under all conditions, would be 15.75 mph, 22.25' elevation gained per mile and yes, often as not.