So, can't it just be left at some people like Rivendell, some don't? Bek, we're all proud that you're hadcore enough to fit Surly's image perfectly. But I wouldn't take much stock in that if I were you, since we're all a bunch of Grant-worshipping zombie idiots. You've inspired me to return my hobo bag, buy an actual thwart bag, and attack it with some waxed thread and leather strips until it fits nicely on my bike, just so I can earn your approval. And the Surly guys freely admit that the LHT was inspired by the Atlantis. Just because you were homeless at 16 doesn't mean you're not a troll.