Originally Posted by
Campag4life
Actually John, to me, your preoccupation with a lb of weight which is a bowel movement in the morning misses the point.

Your concern for my toilet habits is....odd, but strangely touching. Still, a bit in the TMI category. 😉
Further, anybody who wants a custom frame unless they are freakishly proportioned or large like a NBA basketball player....a further waste of money. No custom boutique frame maker can match the performance of a top tier race bike from any top big brand manufacturer. None.
Well, I do have physical limitations that are better accommodated in a custom frame than in any other bike I've owned and has led to better comfort and performance over stock off the shelf bikes. Too, I get what I want with a lot less trade offs. And I can afford it. So it's not a waste and quite to the contrary.
So, even though for a flat lander, I am not a fan of disk brakes on the road, weight is almost irrelevant...or pales compared to maintenance and cost.
For you. The additional weight is an issue for me in several ways and part of it is a physical limitation which I'd rather not discuss here.
I have different interests in the bikes I buy than you apparently. Great to have choices, isn't it?
So I'll continue to wait and let the specs converge a lot more.
J.