[MENTION=190941]jimmuller[/MENTION] - I agree with your statement about differences, but they are noticeable for me after several thousand miles and getting in better shape. I can pay more attention to the little things when the pain is gone .

For a very long time I didn't know about fit of any kind, just set things up to be comfortable. One day someone mentioned the handlebar/axle thing and checked. Sure enough that is where my bars were.

Changing quill stems is a bit of PIA. Just looking for some validation that my instincts are going in the general direction of others experience.

I opted to ride the Pinarello today. Felt a bit stretched so will likely swap the stem soon. The other change will be trying out the 8 spd Ergo's on the DA driveline. Reports are mixed on success. Nothing like doing it.