Originally Posted by ksywa

Yep, I am happy both with Troll and KM.
I'd say Troll is just a tiny bit softer - but both are snappy and responsive. No numb/noodly feeling from each frame; then remember that for me a full alu frame is brittle and a bit too harsh. The 1x10 drivetrain of KM is very tight; the 3x10 on Troll is a bit softer, but still a good setup for my old bones.

I will stick with steel, or steel/carbon frame of LeMond.

/ksywa

Originally Posted by Scooty Puff Jr

So far I like the way my Ogre rides, no squirrelly or noodlness at all, even with low pressure knobby MTB tires, very solid feel of control on and off the paved roads, though not many steep hills around here. I just put a set of Big Apples 2.3 on it, and with 35 psi it rides like its on a cloud but without the feeling of any sloppiness or slow handling. If the bike was 9 or 10 pounds lighter, I probably wouldn't ride my FXS6 during the week. So far I am enjoying the steel frame and ridged fork, I will really have a honest opinion once I put a few hundred more miles on it and the "newness" wears off, but I can see why a lot of people like Surly bikes.