Yep. I've been a big fan of Eisentraut bikes for a long time, so I was psyched to find (and win!) a mid-70's Limited touring frame on 'bay. But what a disappointment! Beautiful metalwork and great handling, but typical of big (65cm) frames of that era, it was built with REALLY heavy-gauge tubing. Would've been fine for carrying a load, but it just felt sluggish and dead. Gave up and sold it after a couple years.