Originally Posted by
squirtdad
I think a guy like
dave Kirk and the custom/bespoke bikes he produces would be considered artisanal. built by one person in a garage, one at a time. Painted by one specialist An automated process to build a custom bike would not be artisanal
this guy makes artisanal pizza, using classic techniques, but it is not custom/bespoke per se
https://vimeo.com/106827149
ar·ti·san·al
ärˈtēzən(ə)l
adjective
relating to or characteristic of an artisan. "artisanal skills"
(of a product, especially food or drink) made in a traditional or non-mechanized way.
Originally Posted by
Michele_Salmaso
The problem is to define what "automatized" means. Use a drill press means automatized? maybe yes if from someone that use only the file standpoint.
In the same way, I think, who use a drill presse considers "automatized process" a process that concerns a CNC.
No, automatized / mechanized is too generic in my opinion. What this two words mean? Fine is "mechanized-free" and a "dremel" means mechanized?
I think that the real idea behind an artisanl process is the link hand - mind ( or brain ), as Richard Sennet wrote in his famous book.
Any distinction made by this or that tool use of is useful to create a larger or less group...
I think you are way overthinking this, in what feels like trying to find a sharply defined, black and white definition of what is less of defined thing and more of a feel.
it is a bit like distinction that some people make between custom and bespoke, other that american vs british english. it is very gray, with bespoke bringing up (to me anyway) images of the tailor fitting mutiple muslin patterns or the shoemaker using a last that was built for the customer.
the point is was trying to make was Artisanal does always equal custom and custom does not always equal artisanal.
you could have computerized bike fit bike, the generates all measurements, thatthen feed into a robotic, automated build process that at the end generates a very high quality, custom bike, but that would not be artisanal.
Tool usage is not the definition either. Anything made by "hand" has some level of tool usage. Use of power tools does not take away from an artisan.
I think you more have to look at the process. Dave kirk as an example builds a frame start to end by himself, during this process all the things he has learned are applied both consciously and unconsciously. He had learned a lot of this while building frames for Serrota, which while using classic lugged steel technique but the process at Serrota would not be considered by me to be artisanal.